WCL TALK

Rade · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Southern Minnesota

In complete honesty, I only ever enjoy watching a few fighters. And to be more honest, I'm not an avid enough follower of the WCL to name anymore than Daniels.

More people need to actually get pumped and into the fights like him. With most people, it seems like they don't even want to fight. On the topic of skills, the show that was on today on Versus was, in my opinion, pathetic.

The women fought barbarically, and almost all the guys looked like robots. I was nearly screaming at my TV at the thousands of openings all the fighters missed; namely the heavy weight matches and uhh.... The kicky guy and the little italian guy.

IrishGuts · Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Oklahoma

Rade,

There a couple problems with your take. First, if you have never went to a live event you have no idea of the excitement and intensity of the fights. Sure, on your couch you were not moved to actually get up cheer out loud, but really what would make you wanna get up besides more cheetos? Next, I dont know this but are you a professional fighter?? I assume not. It is a dangerous thing to second guess what a fighter should or should not do in a fight. I know your highly trained eye could disect a fighters technique over your coffee table but these men and women are highly trained and highly skilled, so for a remote control jockey to critisize the way they fight is a joke. I might suggest you check out "pros vs joes".

In all fairness though it is ok to voice your opinion but not at the cost of being a critic to true professionals.

bigj · Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 253

In any and every combat sport you have sharks and shark bate. There have been dog fights and great fights but unlike boxing where you can survive for rounds or the whole damn fight by resting on the ropes and just covering up,, or mma with their 30 second tap outs or worse.. 3 min ground and pound, it is a 3 min fight where your best out come is you beat a great fighter and face a fresh fighter later. If you can't appreciate that then get your couch potato arse off the couch and your nose from facing the celling since the only stench is from your fingers and get in the ring and try to fight all out for 3 min.

Rade · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Southern Minnesota

For a bit of background information... I train my body and mind about 5 or 6 days a week. I spend a lot of my time watching and learning fighting as well. Muay Thai, boxing, kick boxing techniques, etc... Most of my knowledge is based around stand-up fighting, since ground fighting isn't as fun.

BigJ. My dream is to fight in the WCL. My entire training is based around fighting in bursts. As of a few days ago, I am able to punch for 22 minutes straight with weights. (They're puny weights... But never the less, 22 minutes isn't a short amount of time of consistant activity.)

IrishGuts. I like spicy Doritos. And I'm just saying that they need more fighters that get into the fight. And I have seen plenty of other amazing fights. I watch nearly every episode that comes on, on the edge of my seat most of the time. But there are just some fights that make my skin crawl.

Or make me laugh.

bigj · Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 253

send a resume in and sure cory will pass it around. they're always looking for talent

Rade · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Southern Minnesota

But... I'm 17 and I've got no professional background.

I'd need like...

A super badass video. (If it'd even be legal for me to participate, which I doubt.)

Either way, I'll probably wait at the earliest of me being 21.
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mingku · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 14

Anyone can become a fighter in WCL at age 18 and up, since Leo Valdivia from New York is only 19. He is doing great now after drop the weight to 178lb division. He got 2 wins last event at St. Charles with one of the decision by KO. Just make sure you are skillful enough to fight in the ring for 3 minutes non-stop, otherwise might get replaced immediately.

Valiss · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Earth

Since the WCL is always recruiting, anyone can 'put up or shut up' by filling out the application.

That said, you have to realize that like many new fighting orgs, the WCL is 70% cans, followed by some decent fighters and a couple of excellent fighters. Check out Ronnie Copeland, the guy is a professional can for the WCL. But over time as the WCL builds up, bigger names will join and more expeinced fighters will be on the cards making more fights exciting. At this point, we see the big names like Daniels fighting can after can with a couple of good matches mixed in.

I haven't been to a live event, so I can't speak on that. (Let's hope the WCL makes it to California someday!)
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Rade · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Southern Minnesota

I'm fairly certain my endurance will be enough by the time I'm 18 or 20 or whenever I feel like joining, since I make it a large portion of my training.

As for skill...

I just need more people to fight; no one ever wants to fight me.
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P.J. Reilly · Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 52 Location: Grand Junction, CO

Ronnie Copeland is far from being a can.
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Valiss · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Earth

swank(nwk) · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject:

Rade,
What weight class are you wanting to fight at in the wcl? Personaly I am sending my app in for the 147 class. But I am not sending it in untill I get a few more fights in for KickBoxing... Because 90% of my experience comes from Sport Karate and I have only been in that for about a year and a half. What styles do you train in currently?
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jmm1 · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

Rade · Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Southern Minnesota

[quote="swank(nwk)"]Rade,
What weight class are you wanting to fight at in the wcl? Personaly I am sending my app in for the 147 class. But I am not sending it in untill I get a few more fights in for KickBoxing... Because 90% of my experience comes from Sport Karate and I have only been in that for about a year and a half. What styles do you train in currently?[/quote]147. I think I'm lighter than that right now though...

My only "professional" training is sadly TKD. It was basically for self-defense, therefore I wasn't given any practical advice or ways to use the techniques in combat situations.

I'm just a lamer that thinks about fighting techniques consistantly and practices through shadow boxing and watching other fighters fight to find out the right way to do things. I generally wouldn't want to stick with a specific art for a long time 'cause then I'd start to only think of that one, instead of just fighting in general.

I agree with Bruce Lee on a lot of philosophy and ideas about fighting and whatnot.

I seem to be exceptional in comparison to a lot of people considering my lack of a 'professional' background.

I should get a video of me fighting to show what pure willpower and determination can do!
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STEAMROLLER · Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Momence, IL

[quote="Valiss"]Since the WCL is always recruiting, anyone can 'put up or shut up' by filling out the application.

That said, you have to realize that like many new fighting orgs, the WCL is 70% cans, followed by some decent fighters and a couple of excellent fighters. Check out Ronnie Copeland, the guy is a professional can for the WCL. But over time as the WCL builds up, bigger names will join and more expeinced fighters will be on the cards making more fights exciting. At this point, we see the big names like Daniels fighting can after can with a couple of good matches mixed in.

I haven't been to a live event, so I can't speak on that. (Let's hope the WCL makes it to California someday!)[/quote]

The WCL is pulling talent mainlyn out of the United States. There are some good fighters out of Canada in the league as well. The WCL and it's coaches are trying to recuit the best fighters they possibly can. Money is always a factor for any organization. The WCL has definetly put up their share of money to get things started. I agree with your statement that when the league gets bigger that you will see more and more talent. I believe the talent is much better this season than that of last. It will get better every year.

The coaches pick their fighters and also choose which fighters will start. The WCL coaches are trying to put the best fighters in they can. The coaches and fighters have a job to do. Like any job, get it done or they will find someone that will. Recruiting plays an important role in any sport. All of the coaches are trying to figure out the Raymond Daniels puzzle. So far, all have failed in executing their plan. Stars are made in this league on the mat. You can hype someone up all you want, it they don't perform on the mat, they will never be a star. I guess it's the old, "the cream always rises to the top" theory. Daniels has definetly been proving himself fight after fight.

As far as Ronnie Copeland goes, he is a great guy. He comes from a Full-Contact Kickboxing background. He has been much more successful in Kickboxing than that of the WCL. Ronnie has had a rough time adapting to the pace of the WCL. He is not the only fighter that has had this problem. In his fight against Daniels, he dropped to a weight class he has never fought at before. Copeland fought mainly as a Heavy-weight throughout his career. Daniels speed and athleticism was too much for him. It was over-whelming. Kudos to Copeland for getting in there and doing his best!
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