WCL TALK

jmm1 · Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:55 am Post subject:

skilledstreetfighter -

Since you seem to know so much, why don't you post some drills?

skilledstreetfighter · Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Location: chicago

hey scott i want to start by saying if u or anyone else think im a screwball thats fine.the whole reason i made my original comments is because i get so aggrevated when i hear stuff that doesnt make sense. and punching drills for full contact competition are not done from the hip in a horse stance. but anyone who has read what ive been saying knows that i have at least alittle bit of knowledge.dennis alexio, benny the jet,mike tyson,ali, they were good punchers. and i would bet that they probably didnt break down in a horse stance in the corner and punch from the hip,but i could be wrong.its probably a good bet that if you want to punch like those guys, you probably want to try drills they did.so scott hereis the most basic drill for developing power,and it should be done with a good boxing guard and good boxing punches.PUNCH THE HEAVY BAG WITH A PERSON HOLDING THE BAG AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE.when you punch a bag weighing 100-200lbs with someone holdingthe bag,you are on the right path to developing knock out power.when you r finally able to move the bags weight with the guy holding it(that also includes his weight)with your punches,you know you r hitting with power.too many people hit a swinging bag and that aggrevates me. doing rounds on a heavy bag may be boring and not the type of drill u wanted to hear about scott,but i mentioned this because too many "karate" people are lacking in punching power and boxing skills. if you read my last message i mentioned a few boxing skills and never even got to any punching tecniques. i just dont have the patience to type all this stuff out. plus there is so much more to this part of fighting than meets the eye. i should have known better than to state my opinion because i know that when u talk shop with other martial artists they always think that their art or style is better than anyone elses.and it is fine to take pride in your style but please dont be too proud to learn new things. and by the way scott i just want to say that i kind of enjoy this healthy exchange with u. skilledstreetfighter

Scott Bolinger · Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Nebraska

Benny the Jet Urquedez did do drills in a horstance, i've read a couple of his books. It's a good way to strengthin the thigh and doing punching drills from the hip or armpit, you end up executing punches at its fullest extension, developing the muscle tone to it's fullest. But you gotta realizes that certain circomstances, you'll need to change the stile of drills. Or if you don't have any training gear, what do you do then. So you gotta know a work out routine and speed drills without equipment as well as having routines and drills if you happen to have the correct equipment. Now my basic starter drill I do for all new comers is:

Warm up

2 minute jump rope
25 jump jacks
stretch
2 X 2 Jump rope
30 push ups
75 sit-ups
20 kick outs
10 figure eights
10 circles
10 side leg lifts

Hitting the heavy bag

20 jab, cross, jab
20 jab, cross, hook to the midsection
20 jab, cross, hook (midsection), reverse hook (midsection)

Light stretch

In this heavy bag workout, I would want to focus on hitting some power hook, so I usually get a little dip and then torque hard with the hipps. But if you want more of a speed drill, maybe take a 5 minute break and go into 2 1 minute drills:

the first speed drill would be

Jab, jab, cross
then a 1 minute break
hook as fast as you can for a minute. In practicing speed hooks, what you want to do is kind of lean foward a bit and put your head into the heavy bag and then hook the crap out of the bag. And that should burn up your arms a bit.

And that would be my level 1 heavy bag boxing drill.
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skilledstreetfighter · Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 4 Location: chicago

hey scott, didnt u forget a certain punching exercise in your beginner workout?

aoskrandy · Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 1

Techniques practiced in the horse stance and punches thrown from hip are excellent exaercises. The horse stance develops power and flexibility in legs and punching from hip trains us to use our core strength in our punches. I admit that this an exercise, we do night fight in this stance, but it is a valuable training tool. I do not know anybody personally that uses leg techniques and does not utilize the horse stance in training, but I am sure that ther are exceptions to the rule. As far as trained boxers go, I think that they may be the hardest to deal with in a street fight and very powerful punchers. Just remember that from outside of a boxers range a knee can be taken out with approximately 50 psi of force, although not a lot of power, very efective. I would also like to see some posts of other punching drills. I have several fighting techniques that I practice, I guess that would quallify as punching/kicking drills. Yes, I use these in point fighting, but I think that they would be effective in self defense also. I also study grab art defense, block and attack techniques, and takedown techniques that would be very effective and fight ending actions. See you, aoskrandy

bigj · Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 253

since I appear to be the king of pissning people off.. I didn't pay too much attention to your orginal remarks, skilledsteetfighter (please), since it has been the point fighters who been kicking butt and the kick boxers taking dives. maybe you ought to be asking officer Daniels what drills he does. :)
otherwise you can learn from everybody including screwballs I suppose.

tkd87 · Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 1 Location: Fresno, Ca.

Id'e stick w/ the running for endurance, you can break up the distance however you want, and do the jog/run/sprint thing. I also throw in some high knees for a 10-20 count, however you wanna do the count as well, in place of the short distant sprint. Everyone knows how hard it is to get your knee's up after a while of mixing it up. Then you can do some leg drills, like how many kicks in 30,45,60 and 90 secs.. You can figure out how you wanna put the power/speed in the sets of kicks. Work on close up fighting as well, you can always sneak a mean arse round kick to the body if you keep 'em busy w/ the hands. Do some plyometric training and reaction drills. Work on all boxing style punching drills. It's always good to use some type of checking and drawing-in strategy to lure them in to a good kick or punch. Use a lot of off the line tech. and side stepping to avoid back-peddling. To bad this wasn't closer 'cause i'de probably like to give it a go.

Coolbarry · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: The science of fighting

[size=18][/size][color=blue][/color]The Discovery channel did a special on different fighters and it was quite interesting. The Boxer had the most powerful punch, the Muy Thai guy had the most devastating strike with the leg, the Wu Shu/Kung fu guy had the quickest strikes with his hands.
I think the baddest (best) fighter in the group was the Tae Kwon Do fighter. If you get a chance to see this program it would be well worth watching. It was called "The Science of Fighting" I believe.
Hey everyone keep training hard and God bless!
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Godamuss · Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 1 Location: detroit michgan

I just go out back on the deck out back and do push-ups, sit-ups , throw all styles of punches and kicks , do cartwheels & handsprings, & handstand pushups. Keep up your heart rate and pace like a power-walker when you start to breathe hard. Of course I'm only a yellow belt in judo , but I've never lost a streetfight and won almost all of my backyard sparring matches with my buddies. My buds 8) 8) have all sorts of rankings in all sorts of martial arts. We used to have a Wrestling Society X style backyard Wrestling thing going on for a while ..... thats good exercise. Good-luck with your next buck. [/img]
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fullcontactfl · Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 4

If you want to ba a runner run. If you want to be a fighter you fight. sparring, rolling and just being in the ring is the best drill you can go with. let yourself get in bad situations and see if you can recover.

snowboardingteach · Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 1 Location: NC

As far as boxers go they may have more power and skill when it comes to punches. But that would be BOXING. If you get in a how often are there rules involved. Overall Karate definately is more effective. [/u]
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fullcontactfl · Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 4

the problem with karate is that it ignores the ground. Karate is a good discipline but it ignores the rules of a real fight. You would never use forms in a fight nor would you want to get in a horse stance. There are too many schools that sell belts and are too greesy with there students like Tae-kwon-do or as I like to call it Take-my-dough.

Felix · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 1

The Fight Science was an amazing program and I thought it was kinda funny when fullcontact guy wrote to place a karate person up against a boxer with just hands. Why would someone profiecent in using kicking techniques refrain from it in a fight just because the other person is good with their hands. Quite the contrary would be wise. Keep your distance and work fast front legs. Every fighter is different though so all I can say about exercises are Scott does seem to know what he is talking about and is giving good advice but if you really want to start training go a gym near you that has some good teachers practice with them.

Spiritual_Warrior · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 1 Location: Kansas City

I am going to have to agree with Scott. The Horse Stance Punching Drills do help develop upper thigh strength making kicks stronger and also increasing the durability of your upper thigh if you were to take a kick there.

I do them and they have helped me out in Full Contact Kick Boxing matches. Amatuer mind you, but still i think repetition of focusing on technique is key to execute a good punch or kick. That is not the only aspect of training you should focus on. . .but it is beneficial.
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shapoeryu · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Kentucky

This is a simple drill for training and attacking, we call it Sha-G.

After you have run and punched and kicked and got your self good and warmed up try this !

By utilizing your hands, feet, knees and elbows attack an invisable oponet with 10 various strikes at vital points of the body with in 3 to 2 seconds or less.
Develop 10 sets and complete all 10 in sequince of one another, this will not only enhance your training "but" will develop your skill level as well.
This is one training aspect of our style and it has proved very effective !

Now here is a question for every one;

How many hook punches are there ?
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