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Should fighters wear shin guards in Season 3?
Yes (Wear shin guards)
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No (Do not wear shin guards)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Shin Guards or No Shin Guards Reply with quote

The league wants your opinion.

Fighters and Fans, what would you like to see next season?

Shin Guards or No Shin Guards.

Also, if you say no shin guards would you prefer board shorts over pants? Please post your comments.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an extended answer from the board shorts vs long pants debate.

Lose the shinguards. Shinguards are mainly used in amateur events, and these are pro fights.

K-1 doesn't use shinguards, and the WCL is closest organization to K-1 here in the US. I know K-1 has events here, but not many.

Get rid of the shinguards. Simple.

(Get rid of the pants too)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShaolinKid wrote:
This is an extended answer from the board shorts vs long pants debate.

Lose the shinguards. Shinguards are mainly used in amateur events, and these are pro fights.

K-1 doesn't use shinguards, and the WCL is closest organization to K-1 here in the US. I know K-1 has events here, but not many.

Get rid of the shinguards. Simple.

(Get rid of the pants too)


Couldnt agree more. If the WCL wants to run with the big boys, it's time to fight like the pro's they are! Plus with such short round times, the fighters need all the weapons they can muster and shins are great for leg kicks. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you lose the pants for boardshorts, you have to lose the shinguards. This would make it tough on fighters fighting every 6 weeks though. But it would look much better.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would stick with the pants and shin-instep guards for the WCL. It defines what the league is all about, a combination of all standup fighting styles with its own set of rules that promotes Kicking and “Full-Throttle” action.

In leg kick and Muay Thai, shorts must be worn to see the damage that the low kicks are doing to the legs. Board shorts are used in MMA due to the ground game, much less restriction. I would stay clear of them, they represent MMA.

WCL rules are very different from these styles of fighting. WCL rules are fast pasted non-stop action. WCL promotes kicking in lots of variations. Low Kick and Muay Thai fights are much slower paced and strategic. You still see great action, but it is not the same pace. You will see great kicking skills in Low Kick and Muay Thai, but it is very different. Low Kick and Thai style fighters kick primarily with their shins instead of their foot. This is due to the damage that is done to the foot when fighting without foot protection and the damage the shin does to your opponent. Defensive skills are much more used in these two styles. WCL demands constant offensive action from its fighters. They are penalized for not attacking and also for being too defensive or counter fighting only. WCL is all about offense.

Take away the shin-instep protection and you will see more damaged and injured fighters. WCL fighters fight around every month for several months in a row. Injuries will definitely be a problem. Gashed open shins and broken foot bones take time to heal. This will be nice for the backup fighters for sure. You will see much more of the backups if you lose the shin-instep guards.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steamroller, I wanna address some of your statements.

The pants do not "define" the WCL. The WCL is defined by it's full throttle action, bringing in many different fighters of different backgrounds And the shinguards make the fighters look like amateurs. K-1 doesn't use shinguards, so why make the WCL look like a weaker version of K-1?

If there's more injured fighters, then so be it. It will make them condition and train themselves more to avoid leg kicks.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Steamroller knows a bit more than you do about what "defines" the WCL, since he is a WCL fighter...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the shin guards stay the pants stay, if not give the fighters a chose between the board shorts or the tight Cro Cop style short.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShaolinKid wrote:
Steamroller, I wanna address some of your statements.

The pants do not "define" the WCL. The WCL is defined by it's full throttle action, bringing in many different fighters of different backgrounds And the shinguards make the fighters look like amateurs. K-1 doesn't use shinguards, so why make the WCL look like a weaker version of K-1?

If there's more injured fighters, then so be it. It will make them condition and train themselves more to avoid leg kicks.


This is spot on! You really hit the nail on the head. It's the ring, the short rounds, limited clinch and the general ruleset that define the league, not some pants.

Also please note that Steamroller isn't the only one on these boards that trains and competes in kickboxing.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShaolinKid, “The WCL is defined by it's full throttle action, bringing in many different fighters of different backgrounds” I couldn’t agree more! Your missing my point, the WCL doesn’t want to look like K-1 at all. WCL rules are against avoiding anything. There is no time for defensive game plans. A fighter is supposed to be continuously attacking their opponent for 3 minutes straight. Not playing a strategic game of chess or trying to chop your opponent down with single blows. At the beginning of the WCL’s first season you were only allowed to throw a leg kick if you followed up with a combination. They took that rule away and I think it is a good thing. The WCL wants way more action in a match than that of K-1 or any type of Kickboxing done in a ring. It is continuous offense they are looking for in a match.

My point with injured fighters is not just that of the damage done to the leg from being kicked, but the damage done to the foot throwing Karate Style kicks. You will see less flashy kicks or more injured feet if you take away the foot protection. You will see more injured feet no matter what style kick you throw without foot protection, and that is a given. K-1 fighters don’t fight every 4-6 weeks for several months in a row. K-1 fighters are not pushed to fight at a WCL pace. My point is that losing the foot protection will change the way fighters will fight. As far as WCL being a weaker version of K-1, I think the WCL’s KO rate speaks for itself! I’m not sure of your background in Muay Thai, but you can’t condition the shins in a short period of time. It actually takes years to do. In Thailand they start at an early age. It is hard for an adult to do. You can get used to taking leg kicks much faster than taking impact to your shins.

I personally like all types of stand-up fighting. I have no problem with fighting without foot protection. Since I fought as a backup in the league, I see a window of opportunity if they lose the shin-instep guards. That doesn’t change the realities of what I stated above. I also value your opinions an appreciate you stating how you feel about this subject. How the WCL looks to its fans is an important matter. Because above all, The Show must go on!

Sincerely, Michael Dean
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="the210"]I think Steamroller knows a bit more than you do about what "defines" the WCL, since he is a WCL fighter...[/quote]

Don't mean jack there buddy.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="STEAMROLLER"]ShaolinKid, “The WCL is defined by it's full throttle action, bringing in many different fighters of different backgrounds” I couldn’t agree more! Your missing my point, the WCL doesn’t want to look like K-1 at all. WCL rules are against avoiding anything. There is no time for defensive game plans. A fighter is supposed to be continuously attacking their opponent for 3 minutes straight. Not playing a strategic game of chess or trying to chop your opponent down with single blows. At the beginning of the WCL’s first season you were only allowed to throw a leg kick if you followed up with a combination. They took that rule away and I think it is a good thing. The WCL wants way more action in a match than that of K-1 or any type of Kickboxing done in a ring. It is continuous offense they are looking for in a match.

My point with injured fighters is not just that of the damage done to the leg from being kicked, but the damage done to the foot throwing Karate Style kicks. You will see less flashy kicks or more injured feet if you take away the foot protection. You will see more injured feet no matter what style kick you throw without foot protection, and that is a given. K-1 fighters don’t fight every 4-6 weeks for several months in a row. K-1 fighters are not pushed to fight at a WCL pace. My point is that losing the foot protection will change the way fighters will fight. As far as WCL being a weaker version of K-1, I think the WCL’s KO rate speaks for itself! I’m not sure of your background in Muay Thai, but you can’t condition the shins in a short period of time. It actually takes years to do. In Thailand they start at an early age. It is hard for an adult to do. You can get used to taking leg kicks much faster than taking impact to your shins.

I personally like all types of stand-up fighting. I have no problem with fighting without foot protection. Since I fought as a backup in the league, I see a window of opportunity if they lose the shin-instep guards. That doesn’t change the realities of what I stated above. I also value your opinions an appreciate you stating how you feel about this subject. How the WCL looks to its fans is an important matter. Because above all, The Show must go on!

Sincerely, Michael Dean[/quote]

Mr. Dean, you are a great fighter and I love watching you fight. (especially you vs Selbee, two big HW's going after each other was really cool) but the pants make the WCL look like ya'll are in the past. I loved FCR Kickboxing. I grew up watching it. I grew up watching Dennis Alexio, Rick Roufus, ect. But these days, shorts are the way to go, to show everyone that Kickboxing in the US is progressing.

And Mr. Dean, I am a big fan of yours, and hope to see you kick more arse this season!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShaolinKid, thanks for the kind words.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="STEAMROLLER"]ShaolinKid, thanks for the kind words.[/quote]

No problem. I'm an amateur Kickboxer trying to work his way up the ranks. Fighters like you, Selbee, and others are my hero's.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm how about go with shorts and make the shin guards optional? That way the fighters that need time to toughen up can do so. Just throwing that idea out there...
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