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Galo · Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 119 Location: Los Angeles

Who was that fighter that went up against John James in the second half? Man, I hate to talk crap about people but he really had no business on that mat. He was terrible. How did he make the cut to be on the Enorcers?

mingku · Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 14

lol, that's funny, did not pay much attention to that fight, but the fighter who fought John James in the second half from Enforcers is Mark Graden.

Valiss · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Earth

Yeah I was going to mention too that I couldn't recall that fight. Munha Holland stole the show for me. There were a couple of other KOs from that night as well; it was a good card.
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COOK · Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 26 Location: OKLAHOMA

the rematch between jersey nd st louis this weekend should be very interesting, especialy with the bad blood from the shouting match between coach jesse finney and coach tiger schullman.

in oklahoma, jesse responded to a question of how he thot his team would do in the rematch with jersey with "they are the worst team in the league"

needless to say tiger schullman did not like the comment and had a mouthfull to say himself.

i think coach finney was trying to make "god tv"... and he probably succeeded at that, but i don't think tiger plays that way, and took it as a diss-respect.

i love em both, but it sure adds a little spice to this fridays match.

tiger has beefed up his line up with the addition of heavyweight achilles king, and st louis lost one of their stars, kevin engle to a boxing knock-out. that kinda evens things out... but i gotta put my money on the defending champs.

Valiss · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Earth

Mr Cook, thanks for coming on th message boards to post all the info!! We do appreicate it.

So Engle out from a boxing KO? Well maybe that'll teach him to keep his hands up more. Smile

And as for the spat between the Tiger and Clash is great. I mean, if you can't take the heat (i.e. trash talk) then get outta of the ring. That's just a part of sports in general. The "they are the worst team in the league" comment by Finney is just hilarious - a great quote. But really, it's probably true.

All in all, from what I've seen so far this season, I'd have to give it to St Louis too.
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jmm1 · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject:

The NY Clash have yet to get a team win in the history of the franchise and they have had several more chances than NJ. I don't see how you can say NJ is the worst team in the league.

Galo · Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 119 Location: Los Angeles

So is Mike McDonald on the NY team or not?

STEAMROLLER · Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Momence, IL

[quote="Galo"]So is Mike McDonald on the NY team or not?[/quote]

No, Michael McDonald is not on the NY team or any WCL Team at this time.
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STEAMROLLER · Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Momence, IL

[quote="COOK"]the rematch between jersey nd st louis this weekend should be very interesting, especialy with the bad blood from the shouting match between coach jesse finney and coach tiger schullman.

in oklahoma, jesse responded to a question of how he thot his team would do in the rematch with jersey with "they are the worst team in the league"

needless to say tiger schullman did not like the comment and had a mouthfull to say himself.

i think coach finney was trying to make "god tv"... and he probably succeeded at that, but i don't think tiger plays that way, and took it as a diss-respect.

i love em both, but it sure adds a little spice to this fridays match.

tiger has beefed up his line up with the addition of heavyweight achilles king, and st louis lost one of their stars, kevin engle to a boxing knock-out. that kinda evens things out... but i gotta put my money on the defending champs.[/quote]

Jesse is just getting them fired up. Intimidation is part of it. He definetly got under Tiger's skin with that commet.
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Valiss · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Earth

Speaking of watching out for fighters, when do we get to see the mighty Steamroller match air on Versus?
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STEAMROLLER · Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Momence, IL

[quote="Valiss"]Speaking of watching out for fighters, when do we get to see the mighty Steamroller match air on Versus?[/quote]

I started the season off as a backup for the St. Louis Enforcers. I fough Mark Selbee of the Miami Force at the season opener in Atlantic City. Selbee won the match on points! They did not air the entire fight on Versus, only a few short clips of it was shown. Jessy Finney released me from the Enforcers and picked up Mark Graden for the next event. Steve Alley of the Denver Fury picked me up to backup Ed Burris. Ed Burris destroyed his opponents all season long, so I did not get to the opportunity to fight again this season. It was still a great deal of fun being in the league and being a part of both of these teams. It does stink to train your _ss off and not get to fight in an event, but that is the job of a backup. Being a part of the WCL has been an awesome experience. You should try to make it to an event, it is best live! To learn more about me, click on the links below!

http://www.worldcombatleague.com/_fighters/dean_m/dean_m.html

http://www.myspace.com/deanzkickboxing

Sincerely, Michael "Steamroller" Dean
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Mark Graden · Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 1

I don't blame you for thinking I looked pretty bad in San Antonio. I did. But it was not because I am a bad fighter or because I was out of shape. it was because I went in with a badly pulled Left hamstring muscle, which I, of course, immediately re-injured.
I probably (definitely) should not have gone in. But, warming up in the locker room i found I could kick hard with it . I thought that all I had to do was just shut out the pain. And, with all due respect, I felt under normal circumstances i would not lose to James.
What I did not count on was the fact that the pulled hamstring muscle doesn't just hurt but it does not work right.
I could not move fast enough so I found myself throwing kicks from out of range. Then I quickly realized that, because the hamstring is a flexor muscle, when I threw kicks out they did not come back fast enough. Once I extended my kicking leg it just floated out there. For fear of James following my kick back, I pumped my leg out there with multiple kicks. This is a technique I never intended to use, and was more of a reflex. Once I realized that my leg was not coming back I was very hesitant about throwing it, and was afraid to commit with power. That is why my kicks became very wimpy later in the fight. Plan B was to use my kicks to set up my hands. That is when I realized I could not plant to create power in my punches either.
I was hesitant about being on one injured leg, so my knees were truncated and powerless. I was not able to move fast enough to evade James attacks once he smelled blood in the water, but I did avoid getting caught cleanly until he doubled up on the left and dropped me. It was not called a knock down, but it was a knock down and was responsible for a jaw injury I still have to this day.
Near the end, when I was backed up on the warning area and I dropped to one knee, the announcers said I was tire, but It was because my weak leg could not handle the surprise change in elevation. I finished off moving toward him with my hands up. I was not tired. (though I was feeling the effects of the hook that dropped me) I was not going to let him know that he hurt me just like I didn't limp around and let know my leg was injured.

The fighters know that a lot crazy stuff can happen in 3 minutes. And because it's all over so fast you have no time to make up for mistakes or make adjustments. At that same event my friend Jesse Lawrence, from OK (who Knows how I fight) , suffered a pinched nerve in his neck early in his fight. He went into survival mode also, and lost because of an inability to perform. But, he never let his opponent know he was hurt. If that was his WCL debut, people would have said the same things about him, that you said about me.
And just for a little perspective. Issac Diamonde, an excellent fighter who started and fought James in the first half in San Antonio was called for 2 passivity points and lost 17-12 to James. I got out there injured and fought my arse off and lost 15 - 9. Issac is by far the most effect heavyweight
St Louis Fielded this season. He was replaced for the playoffs and his replacement lost to NJ new Starter. My replacement was knocked cold by the Very same John James.

I am new to the WCL and I will redeem myself. Those who know me, know I have a lot to offer to the league, and the fighters know that win lose or draw it is just one fight in many. One bad performance does not define a fighter.
On the good side, I get to tell the war story off surviving injured on National television against a killer like john James. Cool!!

P.J. Reilly · Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 52 Location: Grand Junction, CO

Don't worry Mark, you're right, one bad fight does not define your career. I had a horrible first WCL fight (yesterday vs. Denver) and I hope to redeem myself asap. Good luck in your future fights.
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Galo · Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 119 Location: Los Angeles

[quote="Mark Graden"]I don't blame you for thinking I looked pretty bad in San Antonio. I did. But it was not because I am a bad fighter or because I was out of shape. it was because I went in with a badly pulled Left hamstring muscle, which I, of course, immediately re-injured.
I probably (definitely) should not have gone in. But, warming up in the locker room i found I could kick hard with it . I thought that all I had to do was just shut out the pain. And, with all due respect, I felt under normal circumstances i would not lose to James.
What I did not count on was the fact that the pulled hamstring muscle doesn't just hurt but it does not work right.
I could not move fast enough so I found myself throwing kicks from out of range. Then I quickly realized that, because the hamstring is a flexor muscle, when I threw kicks out they did not come back fast enough. Once I extended my kicking leg it just floated out there. For fear of James following my kick back, I pumped my leg out there with multiple kicks. This is a technique I never intended to use, and was more of a reflex. Once I realized that my leg was not coming back I was very hesitant about throwing it, and was afraid to commit with power. That is why my kicks became very wimpy later in the fight. Plan B was to use my kicks to set up my hands. That is when I realized I could not plant to create power in my punches either.
I was hesitant about being on one injured leg, so my knees were truncated and powerless. I was not able to move fast enough to evade James attacks once he smelled blood in the water, but I did avoid getting caught cleanly until he doubled up on the left and dropped me. It was not called a knock down, but it was a knock down and was responsible for a jaw injury I still have to this day.
Near the end, when I was backed up on the warning area and I dropped to one knee, the announcers said I was tire, but It was because my weak leg could not handle the surprise change in elevation. I finished off moving toward him with my hands up. I was not tired. (though I was feeling the effects of the hook that dropped me) I was not going to let him know that he hurt me just like I didn't limp around and let know my leg was injured.

The fighters know that a lot crazy stuff can happen in 3 minutes. And because it's all over so fast you have no time to make up for mistakes or make adjustments. At that same event my friend Jesse Lawrence, from OK (who Knows how I fight) , suffered a pinched nerve in his neck early in his fight. He went into survival mode also, and lost because of an inability to perform. But, he never let his opponent know he was hurt. If that was his WCL debut, people would have said the same things about him, that you said about me.
And just for a little perspective. Issac Diamonde, an excellent fighter who started and fought James in the first half in San Antonio was called for 2 passivity points and lost 17-12 to James. I got out there injured and fought my arse off and lost 15 - 9. Issac is by far the most effect heavyweight
St Louis Fielded this season. He was replaced for the playoffs and his replacement lost to NJ new Starter. My replacement was knocked cold by the Very same John James.

I am new to the WCL and I will redeem myself. Those who know me, know I have a lot to offer to the league, and the fighters know that win lose or draw it is just one fight in many. One bad performance does not define a fighter.
On the good side, I get to tell the war story off surviving injured on National television against a killer like john James. Cool!![/quote]

Fair enough Mark. I know how hard it is to fight or train injured. Didn't know that you had an injured hamstring and yeah it is tough to move around like that. Hope to see you fight when you are 100%.

Valiss · Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Earth

[quote="P.J. Reilly"]Don't worry Mark, you're right, one bad fight does not define your career. I had a horrible first WCL fight (yesterday vs. Denver) and I hope to redeem myself asap. Good luck in your future fights.[/quote]

I know, PJ I saw your fight this weekend on Versus. It didn't look good. But I'm sure you'll be back and when you do return, get some revenge!

At least you didn't fight Eddie Burris.
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